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Those people are going to be either pushed out of their positions or decide that it's just not worth it. the safety or their family isn't worth it. you know, remember what a second trump administration would look like compared to the first. the first trump administration, he brought in a whole bunch of establishment figures. john kelley, rex tillerson, people like that, and across the cabinet. then he found himself frustrated by their adherence to norms. the second time around, i don't think you're going to see that adherence to norms. you're not going to see people brought in who are from let...

Yes, look. obviously increasingly radicalizing militant anti-democratic faction in the republican party. yes, taking over local county parties, conducting a ridiculous audit in arizona attempting to take power away from elected officials they don't trust but in the end, came down to it after the 2020 election, enough of the, you know, establishment officials held strong against basically the hoards at the door. again, i'm haunted by the question. what happens if they don't? what happens if enough of those politicians, enough of the "establishment figures" enough of the people suppose to the gu...

It was operative. schools were opening. people were eating three meals a day. howard: right. >> so kicking down this house of cards, no. the situation in syria could not have gone on forever the way it was two weeks ago, but this ending was not what anybody on either side of the foreign policy establishment -- howard: and briefly, cheryl, i mean, what gets far less anticipation from the media is that donald trump ran against endless wars. he doesn't want american troops in turkey or other places. and that's a popular stance with americans. >> i think it is. you're hearing from, as we pointed o...

It was operative. schools were opening. people were eating three meals a day. howard: right. >> so kicking down this house of cards, no. the situation in syria could not have gone on forever the way it was two weeks ago, but this ending was not what anybody on either side of the foreign policy establishment -- howard: and briefly, cheryl, i mean, what gets far less anticipation from the media is that donald trump ran against endless wars. he doesn't want american troops in turkey or other places. and that's a popular stance with americans. >> i think it is. you're hearing from, as we pointed o...

Impeachable offense, but let's get some answers. but you don't see that. i want to read some of your reporting in the "washington post." trump is shaking the foundations of the republicans. he's poking his fingers in all of the places where we have norms and traditions and things both parties have respected for years, and he's blown all of those out the window. that's katie kircher of the republican majority -- kerry kircher of the republican majority. you have establishment figures in the republican party, especially those not currently in par power, looking at the party of the moment saying ...