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Trump that transcended his election and even when he was their boss, he was clearly on how do we bring him down, what is our plan b to bring him down in no question at all the fbi, department of justice was at the center of it. steve: that's a really important point. a lot of people when you make these arguments are saying what you talking about, christopher wray was appointed by donald trump and you were saying this happen effectively from the trump administration. the point that is missed there is an establishment there is a swamp and a group of people who all the time during the trump admin...

Trump that transcended his election and even when he was their boss, he was clearly on how do we bring him down, what is our plan b to bring him down in no question at all the fbi, department of justice was at the center of it. steve: that's a really important point. a lot of people when you make these arguments are saying what you talking about, christopher wray was appointed by donald trump and you were saying this happen effectively from the trump administration. the point that is missed there is an establishment there is a swamp and a group of people who all the time during the trump admin...

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Scott walker is down eight points. that first debate was a disaster for him. jeb bush down seven points from that first debate. chris matthews, when you see these numbers, the outsiders who surged so much bush, walker and rubeio not getting traction. what do you make of that? >> i think what we think of as the republican party is maybe out of date and maybe finished. the establishment party, the party of the east coast, the northeast, the suburbs, the moderate party. i think that party is finished for a while, maybe not a long time but right now it is finished. the people making noise in the r...

Is what bill bennett was just talking to you about, then you have to say right now it's romney. just look at the poll numbers. he does better against obama than gingrich does. the story, and this picks up on what you were talking about, the republican establishment has come out with long knives and a trying to absolutely carve up newt gingrich in advance of the iowa caucus. that is what is going on in the polls. where we see newt's numbers moderating some. had a "wall street journal" journal poll, up by 17. others show him going down from where he was a week ago. it's interesting. romney is no...