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Position. >> i think in some cases he simply didn't know. in other cases, i think he -- it's situational awareness. this happens in syria. he does have people around him who are pulling him in a direction that is -- reflects were establishment thinking. syria is a good example of that with the influence of a tillerson, of a mattis, h.r. mcmaster. those are things that you should want in terms of a maturation process from a candidate with no experience to becoming the commander in chief. >> david chalian, on china, we got insight into president trump and his conversation with the chinese presid...

Simply didn't know. in other cases, i think he -- it's situational awareness. this happens in syria. he does have people around him who are pulling him in a direction that is -- reflects were establishment thinking. syria is a good example of that with the influence of a tillerson, of a mattis, h.r. mcmaster. those are things that you should want in terms of a maturation process from a candidate with no experience to becoming the commander in chief. >> david chalian, on china, we got insight into president trump and his conversation with the chinese president in the "wall street journal" today...

That doesn't mean they're part of the establishment. when jeff sessions got on board, no one in washington, d.c. thought donald trump had a chance. and that's not conventional establishment thinking. >> he is a 20-year sitting senator. >> but general flynn is a registered democrat. he interviewed today michelle rhee. she's a democrat and doesn't agree with him on all issues. >> very quickly on that point before i let you go, do you think that diversity in these key positions is a nice to have or a necessity? >> i think it's going to be both. he's going to find talented people -- >> is it, cong...

Secondly, he is heavily influenced by more establishment thinking. based on advisers he brought in by economic advisers and national security foreign policy advis advisers. there is a quality to the president of genuinely being surprised of the presidency and how difficult the problems. >> he said as much. >> he is being transparent about that. we are seeing what i think people always thought was true with the president. he's a flexible, perhaps unprincipaled because he wants a pragmatic approach to his presidency. it is one thing to tack back and forth and be all over the map which is somethi...