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Message is by far professional politicians are a pain in the the neck and they are looking for a different perspective and approach. that leaves eight establishment type. governors or senators or former candidates including mike huckabee. it is a wide open field that is basically in the low single digits and tied in the basements and all of them looking for break out moments. next time there is a debate, it is entirely there will not be 11 candidates and it will be back down to ten. and the hope to get it down to 6 or 7 by next year. >> thank you very much, carl. jon? the moderator of the de...

>> it's still the same old spending, different degree. >> the difference is the battle in the republican party is essentially between more moderate establishment type of republicans versus the tea party and the conservative wing of the republicans. on the democratic side, from 1968 the extreme left took over the whole party. the moderates are few and far between. at, you're their exception to the rule. the bat on the left twins the left and the extreme left. >> how can anyone in this environment advocate -- >> because what you have -- >> because when you're talking about the extreme left, this...