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Would be, run as far away from the ethics program that we currently have as you can. because what we've learned is that it doesn't work. and the problem is this idea of going back to the way trump was suggests that trump was just an aberration and the systems were strong enough to stand up against someone like him. the problem is, they didn't stand up to someone like him. and the conditions that everybody wants to go back to when they say, let's go back to the way it was, were the conditions that got him in the first place. we need to learn those lessons and push for massive, sweeping changes....

The ethics front. >> kelly: martin, rick brings up a valid point. on the other side of the coin, the republicans have not been without their own problems as well in terms of ethics violations and so, what do you say about the republicans and their charge against rangel as well and maxine waters using that when of course it's one of the questions that raises the issue, should republicans be going down this path? >> well, they're going to go down the path no hart what we say and i would remind you that speaker gingrich was reprimanded about ten years ago and this does cut both ways, however, thi...

Along bing, bing, bing, bing. he will be admonished to work on those. i think pete stark, who is stepping in now to be the chairman of the ways and means committee, will be there for a while. >> bret: kirsten, is this the beginning of a narrative of a culture of corruption? you have back in 2006 house speaker nancy pelosi talking about her efforts on the ethics front. and then she was asked about charlie rangel specifics just this past weekend. >> we will make this the most honest, ethical, and open congress in history: a violation of the rule of the house was not something that jeopardized ou...

So, when they are going to come along bing, bing, bing, bing. he will be admonished to work on those. i think pete stark, who is stepping in now to be the chairman of the ways and means committee, will be there for a while. >> bret: kirsten, is this the beginning of a narrative of a culture of corruption? you have back in 2006 house speaker nancy pelosi talking about her efforts on the ethics front. and then she was asked about charlie rangel specifics just this past weekend. >> we will make this the most honest, ethical, and open congress in history: a violation of the rule of the house was n...