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That in fact, the fbi did not believe he had any conflict of interest in the clinton investigation and handled all matters with the clinton e-mail investigation and his wife's candidacy. he handled them within fbi ethics guidelines. we knew about the republican attacks on the fbi deputy director. we did not know until this evening what lengths the president and attorney general had been going to to get rid of the fbi director including direct pressure on the current fbi director so uncomfortable for him he threatened to resign over it. joining us now on the phone is the editor and chief of the...

Two at the fbi, andrew mccabe, they've attacked him as compromised in the fbi investigation of hillary clinton and e-mails, they think he's compromised in part because his wife ran for office in virginia as a democrat. republicans have kept on attacking him month after month despite the fbi recently releasing records that showed that in fact, the fbi did not believe he had any conflict of interest in the clinton investigation and they say he handled all matters related to the clinton e-mail investigation and his wife's candidacy, he handled all those matters within fbi ethics guidelines. so we...

Do have after you know having experience donald trump as a public figure and as an aspirant to the highest office in united states they do have opinions about him they do have perceptions about him they're kind of baked in and everything flows from those pre-determined perceptions so he might have a point but the truth is is he's approaching the entire role of governance in an orphan orthodox way and that is leading to heavy criticism because people are used to for example people following ethics guidelines. well used to divestiture from private business people are used to frankly politicians ...

>> and the rule of law, such that he was going to follow the ethics guidelines. i take your point, which is this president has shown he can break the seal on things and norms and perhaps get away with it because it's so shocking. but here there's a level of sabotage that the president for of his own administration because he wants fierkts because presumably he thinks he's right and he'll take on all comers. sessions is a perfect example, i agree with you i think he wouldn't cause a stink if he were fired. i think republicans, his senate colleagues, republicans would really start to break with ...

Someone who believes in president trump, not just as a leader on these issues but also the president as a leader, as a person and bought into this whole movement that we were behind. general sessions is very loyal, and if the president were to ask him to go, then he would go. and that would be the end of the story. but i do think that general sessions, i would not expect to see him quit under any circumstance. i think he's loyal and dedicated to the cause. and that's why i think so many folks like myself who are trump supporters want to see him in place, because he does believe in that mission...