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Want him under oath with michael asking him questions. i don't believe it makes sense whatsoever, a if i were them, i would dismiss and move on. >> what is the case for michael cohen based on what the president said, and it is, i guess, against his legal responsibility to do something without letting the president or the client know about it? >> it is really an interesting situation. i know that everybody says he has an ethics problem, but it is only an ethics problem if the client complains about it, because he can find refuge if the new york state bar says there is a complaint and they may h...

Something the left is aplpli plektic about. >> he's not the first to come under fire for excessive use of taxpayer dollars. you've got the recent cabinet members under scrutiny. we talk about draining the swamp. >> they've done a horrible job of draining the swamp. it seems like every week there's a cabinet secretary who's wasting money on $140,000 door or a $25,000 phone booth which was, again, a pruitt scandal. what we're seeing is when it comes to taxpayer dollars the trump administration has no thriftiness whatsoever. but then what we're seeing with scott pruitt is he is using whatever loo...

You're fired cannot do it no matter what. he was clearly teed up in that conversation to just say the words to david shulkin you're fired and can't do it. >> and he wasn't even face-to-face. they were on a phone call. it's easiest to do it that way. here's the thing. i own a small business. unfortunately, i've had to let two people go in the course of operating my small business. and i will tell you, even when it's for cause, it is extraordinarily difficult. but that's what leaders do. >> i mean, there is no one -- by the way i will just say, i talked to someone last night who has a good sense...

One of the more endearing qualities of the president. chris, this speaks to a broader problem which we are seeing from rob porter to the ethics problem in all the different agencies to the people who keep finding had andrea kosinski keeps finding things in their background. there is a quality control problem with people in this white house. >> yeah, you know, chris, staffing a government is serious work. and it needs serious people. and this remarkable piece in the west today that looks at the white house personnel office shows they don't have enough people doing this job. they're too inexperi...

Chris, this speaks to a broader problem which we are seeing from rob porter to the ethics problem in all the different agencies to the people who keep finding had andrea kosinski keeps finding things in their background. they had racist facebook posts. there is a quality control problem with people in this white house. >> yeah, you know, chris, staffing a government is serious work. and it needs serious people. and this remarkable piece in the washington post that looks at the white house personnel office shows they don't have enough people doing this job. they're too inexperienced and haven't...