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The devil's spawn, he would sell his own mother to get a vote. absurd on its face, especially. what do we make of all of this, this guy who had his own ethics problem, who had to resign in the face of the ethics investigation, now trying to put it back on the white house. >> i think it's a problem for both sides, both parties, andrea. to chuck's point, conservatives and republicans are playing a dang dangerous game by sort of embracing massa even to the extent they have. we don't know that the whole full story has come out here. and i would suspect that the whole story has not, in fact, come o...

For getting branded with all the scandals and all the resignations and all the lobbying, abramoff. is there a fear of this sort of ethics problem hanging over the party's brand? >> yeah, there's a fear of that and there is also a fear of crossing president trump, you know. and also angering constituents. so, it's fascinating because republican congressmen these days have had two sets of anger constituents at home. the trump supporters, but also tons of progressives and others who have been coming to their town halls to sort of call them out and ask them where they're standing on these sorts of...

Getting branded with all the scandals and all the resignations and all the lobbying, abramoff. is there a fear of this sort of ethics problem hanging over the party's brand? >> yeah, there's a fear of that and there is also a fear of crossing president trump, you know. and also angering constituents. so, it's fascinating because republican congressmen these days have had two sets of anger constituents at home. the trump supporters, but also tons of progressives and others who have been coming to their town halls to sort of call them out and ask them where they're standing on these sorts of iss...

Extraordinary financial gifts from the government, and then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote. >> isn't that cute? in other words, it's not democracy, parker. it's not any -- i mean, ashley, this isn't democracy, this isn't actually saying and doing things people like. it isn't like voting democratically. it's like putting the money in the jukebox and out comes the money. what kind of game is he proposing here? >> well, i think the thing you need to keep in mind about governor romney is, a, he's shocked that he lost. he mentioned that on the call, too. he really can't quite get o...

Politics, the mutuality -- people that have a little problem wethics always kutz other pers accuse the other person of ethics problem. someone who bought everything he ever got including his highly paid staff in the campaign. everybody was happy with using money on that side. he assumes he must have been outbid. >> that's exactly what someone who thinks he can buy votes was in fact doing. this guy is a salesman, chris. he doesn't know anything about making decisions based on whether or not it's something you believe in. he is of the opinion that money can generate belief, and in this case he d...