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The government ethics program. you have secretary carson even admitting his ethics official pointed out the dining room table purchase might luck funny. and he responds that he doesn't care how things look to people. the problem is the ethics program asks you to think about the appearance of impropriety. and that's alien to these guys. >> alice, he mentioned a number of other people. let's stick with pruitt. already under scrutiny for flying expensive first class travel for several trips. how do all the expensive trips get approved and how is he allowed to do that. >> well some of them it soun...

Infuriated. why is that? >> maybe it's because i am close to it, and after reading this story, he drove the federal election commission into a ditch to undermine our election laws and did a direct assault on the ethics program and now we are learning he attacked the department of justice. while i was on the phone talking to department of justice officials telling them jeff sessions had no choice but to recuse in order to resolve a criminal conflict of pressure, we learned don mcbegan was pressuring sessions to do just the opposite, participate in that investigation. he can try to hide behind t...

Get covered. >> walter here is what she has said, a statement she gave about all of this. if what motivated me was to grow my business and make money i would have stayed in new york and done just that. that wouldn't make sense because she wouldn't have gotten her white house platform had she not gone to the white house. >> that statement is laughable. the reality is that the core principle of the ethics program is that you're not supposed to misuse your government position for private gain. this is the international definition of corruption. this is the principle that george h.w. bush founded ...

This is a man who should know better and prime actor in some of these matters. he was reportedly trying to find out if the fiza court, the court that issues warrants under the patriot act. and now we are told that he's the one who communicated the president's desire to the department of justice. he is supposed to be the one who warns the president and the white house when they are coming too close to a line or breaking with tradition. but this is the don magin that i met when i was dealing with him in the ethics program. and started part of his career kicking the legs out of anti-corruption in...

>> well, i've got other concerns with attorney general sessions, but i think it would be a mistake for him to resign for the reason that he had recused from the russia investigation. i, myself, spoke with department of justice ethics officials and caution them they should get involved and start looking at this because i felt he needed to recuse and in the public statements that the department of justice issued, they said they worked with those career government ethics officials so that's exactly how the process is supposed to work. that's literally the definition of the ethics program. >> righ...