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We can't just do drones. we have to have an engagement on the ideological level, on the diplomatic level to solve this problem because the drones alone just won't do it. >> no question. the drone strike is only as good as the gejs. thanks very much. brooke back to you in baltimore. you can see how the crowds are growing there behind you. >> yeah they have definitely grown. they're here in between, obviously you have city hall, and the war memorial. i would estimate several hundred people here gathering. i know some family members of freddie gray's are here in this crowd. they're about to speak...

Shoulder several thousand people -- several hundred people have amassed. they're frustrated we heard from one of the women who shot the videos. you've seen the video. as someone who trained the head of training for baltimore more city police for four years your were with the city. you see the video, of freddie gray on his stomach, being held. officers' knees on his neck. does that appear excessive toof you or not? >> from what i see in the video, it doesn't appear to be excessive. they apprehended him and placed the cuffs on him. they're holding him in this position until the wagon comes. the ...

We'll bring it back. let's continue where we were. i hear you on the ethics question charles blow and the duvall ewing, almost of these lives when these videos are looped over and over. to you, from the perspective of a police officer, and -- i continue to go back to what we know and this neighborhood. everything that i understand if you're an officer, you probably know this part of baltimore where this happened. >> i grew up a few blocks north from the incident yes. >> there you go. so okay you know the area. you know that if you're an officer in order to make this constitutional stop is what...

Procedure, seatbelt him in he should be fine while transporting. i believe he was transporting and i believe something was aggravated maybe the injury was aggravated during transport. >> you're listening to this conversation. we've talked a number of times. i'm wondering to you on the point of -- if you and anyone out here whether or not they have become desinatized by the videos they would say hell no. i mean it's all now in hashtags and in all these videos. do you think that's happening? >> well i think it's a fair question absolutely. because here's what's happening. these are coming out so...

Kewith of how many democrats or republicans it is a question of passing the bill. they refuse to let it go forward. >> the congressman said 243 democrats voted for it only 12 republicans and so how can you blame democrats when you didn't have support in your own party. >> this is not a game where we try to get republicans and democrats. 218 votes. they control the house. they didn't look for republican votes on stimulus and cap and trade? why does it matter? the idea to get the vote to pass the bill and we did that and they refuse to allow it to pass. anthony weiner who is hysterical and ranti...