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>> and it's not just him. we should note there are a bunch of stories now, jared kushner, we don't know the full extent of what he has and has not divested from, same with steve bannon who has various holdings. there's even an allegation by crew, another group in washington, that christopher leidel, who's an assistant to the president, violated the conflict of interest statutes by attending meetings with companies he has a financial interest in. those are criminal statutes. >> there's no question we have a plethora of ethical crises and this is one place where the congress is not doing its job...

Has various holdings. there's even an allegation by crew, another group in washington, that christopher leidel, who's an assistant to the president, violated the conflict of interest statutes by attending meetings with companies he has a financial interest in. those are criminal statutes. >> there's no question we have a plethora of ethical crises and this is one place where the congress is not doing its job in stepping up. the interview you just had with congressman schiff shows when it comes to the issues of intel and what's going on with russia we are seeing the congress starting to do its ...

Of "the celebrity apprentice" on nbc, even though he's president of the united states. what does that say to you? >> look, yesterday we were talking about the extraordinary spectacle of the president-elect tweeting criticism of an individual american citizen who criticized him. today we are talking about the extraordinary circumstance of a president-elect maintaining an economic interest in a television program that is produced by one entertainment conglomerate and aired by another. that tells you donald trump is going to be pushing against norms that have been accepted for many years on many ...

And had something brought to him and spent the time to think about what it really meant, spent a lot of time talking to people on the ethics side, people on the science side, he came to the conclusion that he really could not let that legislation -- >> so don't go by what he promises in the campaign? >> i think what you ought to go by is his record after he swore -- took his oath of office as governor. that's the stand that i think -- >> what about this larger question, another question? individual mandate. i believe that every person should take responsibility to some extent regardless, whate...

And spent the time to think about what it really meant, spent a lot of time talking to people on the ethics side, people on the science side, he came to the conclusion that he really could not let that legislation -- >> so don't go by what he promises in the campaign? >> i think what you ought to go by is his record after he swore -- took his oath of office as governor. that's the stand that i think -- >> what about this larger question, another question? individual mandate. i believe that every person should take responsibility to some extent regardless, whatever their means, to take care of ...