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Be moving in the right direction. >> sandra: it reminds me of something i had in front of me. the va health care costs are eating the defense department alive. i thought that was important to get in there and we did talk about the change that is being brought about for our veterans in the va on the state. >> no doubt about that. health care costs are rising in the private sector for every american, and it's certainly no different inside the united states military and inside the va. health care is expensive no matter who is administrating it, and those costs are rising every single year. in the...

Injury to get treatment, improving care for our women veterans. at the same time, reduced homelessness and helped service members and their families pursue their education under the post-9/11 gi bill. so rick's commitment to our veterans is unquestioned. his service to our country is exemplary. i am grateful for his service, as are many veterans across the country. >> the president named deputy veterans affairs secretary sloan gibson as acting director. he's going to run the va on an interim basis. all of this, as the president begins the search for another va secretary. a huge move for sure. ...

About to end, we will never stop working to do right by you and your families. >> president obama has tapped deputy va secretary sloan gibson to run the va on an interim basis while he searches for a new secretary. make no mistake, whoever gets this job will have a daunting task ahead of them. right now, there are nearly 22 million veterans in the united states, nearly 9 million of them enrolled in the va health care system, a system that includes more than 1200 va vet centers, hospitals and outpatient clinics. joining me now, nbc's chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. let's begin wi...

>> the va knows it has a problem. the va does not defend the backlog or say it's not a problem but they do say it's going to get better even though they've been saying that a long time and no evidence it's true. it's not getting better, it's getting worse. finally we had someone from the va on the show to talk about it. tommie source, himself an iraq war veteran and assistant secretary at the va. he came here to talk to us about it. i'm grateful he did it. they have not been willing to do it for a long time. reluctant to talk to national press. glad to have mr. soe e sowers h. instead of me sc...

Chief, you could just command we're going to use the xbox. >> the va knows it has a problem. the va does not defend the backlog or say it's not a problem, but they do say it's going to get better even though they've been saying that a long time and no evidence it's true. it's not getting better, it's getting worse. finally we had someone from the va on the show to talk about it. tommie source, himself an iraq war veteran and assistant secretary at the va. he came here to talk to us about it. i'm grateful he did it. they have not been willing to do it for a long time. reluctant to talk to natio...