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So that looks really good for chris. and that's true. but here's one little knew answer on that. he said public opinion on science, europe and japan is different than the united states. there, scopetteism usually comes from the left. the reason may be that the issues in europe, such as genetically modified food and power tend to push liberals' buttons. >> but i think you can easily wade into a relativism where everybody's equal. and the fact is, obviously you're right. i think that was true in the u.s. in the '70s where you had an antiempirical strain on if left and feminist community. but, ho...

Because they say god made us all the same. or everybody's equal. kids don't understand this message. the science is clear it works best when it's overt, means risking talking about skin color and then diffusing the skin color. >> how do you talk about skin color? >> say to children from the time that they're 1 or 2 years old -- >> that young? >> in african-american families they would start talking to kids about skin color very often when they're 6 months old or 9 months old. >> i look at my brothers and sisters with their children, they talk about race, but it's positive and reinforces them. ...