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Was directed by individual 1. mueller didn't do that. when he talked about the congressional testimony and how he came up with the decision to lie and who might have helped him. he said he was talking to people there was coordination with people in the white house. he was in touch. michael cohen pleaded he kept in touch with the white house and talking to people. neither mention the president specifically. they could have. it makes me wonder, is this about me vs. we. the president directing it. which is what buzzfeed says. or something generalized. that cohen was working with guys around trump...

Let's put up why this made sense to people when it came out anyway. it's about the context of what we thought we were going to find out surrounding cohen's testimony. remember, he's about to testify again. now i don't know if this matter will be closed off because it's too close to what mueller is doing. although, by what we're saying right now and what the sourcing is for buzzfeed, doesn't seem like it might be under his umbrella. maybe he will be allowed to discuss it. but put up the language of what was in mueller's pleading that came out the same day as the southern district's pleading abo...

Accurate. buzzfeed is not backing down. we stand by our reporting and the sources that informed it and we urge the special counsel to make clear what he is disputing. all right. it's good to have you both, all right? let's deal with where we think things stand. buzzfeed says one thing. the mueller people change in terms of what they believe is true about what they know. does that end the buzzfeed reporting for you? >> for me, i take it as now we are back to exactly where we were at the point where cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and we should let the facts come out as they may.

So we all remembered that he was talking to people. he was talking to people involved in the white house. i wonder who. then you have to look at that in the context of what his lawyers said in response to that. put that up, please. okay. in the weeks in which his then council prepared his written response to the congressional commi committe committees, michael remained in close and regular contact with white house based staff and legal council. so here's where my head is on this. what could be the big distinction and would totally justify what the mueller probe came out with but not vacate eve...

Taking this extraordinary step to actually comment on it reflects a couple things. i think that this particular allegation is so explosive and has so many potential consequences, that they felt it was important to make clear what was or wasn't accurate about or at least not accurate about the story. also it has been almost two years. we have not heard boo from the special counsel. no leaks, he has been a lock down. i don't think where ever the sources are coming from, i would be -- i'm not 99% sure they were not coming from mueller's team. >> it's interesting you say that. let's look at the la...