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It down. >> tucker: i thought i was going crazy watching this stuff. >> that's a fact. >> tucker: byron york, thank you. reporting to the obama justice department did secretly gather information on trump campaign officials but never told the trump campaign about that. all the usual geniuses demand that you not call this spying. okay. what was it? joining us now is julian epstein. democrat on the house judiciary committee. so why is that not spying? >> well, i agree with everything byron just said. i think you are getting caught up in a semantical thing. >> tucker: i'm not. >> the debate is get...

Try to knock it off. >> tucker: i thought i was going crazy. byron york, thank you. an fbi informant reporting to the obama justice department did secretly gather information on trump campaigner officials, but never told the trump campaign about that. all the usual geniuses demand that you not call this spying. okay. u what was it? joining us now is julian epstein, former chief counsel, democrat and house judiciary committee. why is that not spying? >> i agree with everything byron just said. you couldn't g caught up in us a magical thing -- >> tucker: i'm not afraid >>th the debate is. a spy,...