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George w. bush white house. he thinks the private flights by trump's cabinets is unprecedent. >> i had several of those requests that i dealt with and we rarely approved it. if you needed a charter plane to go up north, to alaska about or something about that, we'd sign off on it. we did not want administration employees jet-setting around, either at the expense of the taxpayers or third parties, accompanying others paying to put people on private planes. we just don't do that. that's incompatible with public service. >> for more, i'm joined by cnn political senior writer rhonda summers. thank...

Politics in '88 when the willie horton -- >> i don't think we were. but a lot of people do. and if we were, we were not doing anything that you all don't do either on your side. >> look, like i said, there are no angels in this very, very hard scrabble arena. >> you and i have both chosen it. >> but reflecting back, and on the nature of our campaigns, especially in this media age, do we contribute to the coarsening of our politics? winning is the thing. you can't govern if you don't win. you're very good at winning. and you're good at governing. but is there something that we have to take resp...

And so that was done without my knowledge. i was on my way to lunch. i got word of it, and i turned the car around and i walked back in the oval and the president was having lunch with the vice president and secretary of state at that time george schulz. and he had ordered this polygraph on anybody who was in a particular -- >> the president? >> the president had. on the recommendation of his national security adviser bill clark. and, of course, it didn't make any sense at all to do that. you can't strap up -- you're going to strap up the vice president of the united states? he's a constitutio...

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