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Strong. >> now with isis gaining ground each day, the question for president obama, is there a targeted clear maneuver that could somehow make a difference, something to be gained by american involvement? would american involvement even work? the u.s. tried to intervene in iraq before. many in washington seem to have forgotten. it didn't go so well. back with me now, national security editor for the guardian, spencer ackerman. does obama see u.s. interests at play here in what is happening in iraq? >> you could sort of see on wednesday his deep reluctance to say that. the way he phrased it was...

Isis, the group known as islamic state in both iraq and sometimes referred to as syria. their objective is to build a trans national islamic state in the modern middle east. they have 3,000 or 4,000 core fighters that includes some foreign fighters that have come from abroad. but in iraq specifically over the course of the past several days or weeks, their rank in file members have grown to include sympathizers and been able to tap into the ground swell of resentment that exists among the arab sunni population. getting a lot of support from arab tribes in the area and getting support from form...

Samarra to be unacceptable to them, the trouble from the u.s. is part when secretary of state john kerry started to opening the door and visiting u.s. iranian military cooperation of some sort, is that you can just imagine what that sounds like to sunnis who they have to convince -- at least passively not to support isis or not to cheer them on against the maliki government. it really sounds to what we were reporting in iraq heard a lot through the u.s. war, the sum of all sunni fears is helping a shiite government in iraq. right now even though the iranians are the players on ground going to ...

Government to act in the one way it never acted since coming to po power in 2005, which is to be less of a sectarian force. these are tensions that really show the degree to which, whatever obama will ultimately decide militarily is likely to be rather limited because he doesn't believe massive american interests are immediately implicated with isis in iraq. >> last night i was surprised it came over the wires that there was a possible of u.s./iranian cooperation to beat by isis, today that got walked back a bit. is there an idea that iran which is already on the side of essentially on the sam...

Interesting reports i've heard from people in the region, the crisis in iraq is almost as much about the situation in syria as it is about what happened here. the border in syria and iraq over the last three years has been somewhat decimated. there is no official border anymore. there's a free movement of people and arms and goods and weapons and explosives. this has allowed the kind of violence to happen on both sides of the border. in fact a lot of fighters fighting in syria are returning to iraq and originally came from iraq when the revolution in syria began. that is how they want to maint...