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I imagine that president erdogan will remain quiet. i believe trump and erdogan talked about it and even though it pains him because he doesn't like the kurds, he will do that. i do think it's critically important we deny safe havens in this area but remember what we are talking about in the a block. isis is already figuring out a way to evolve. their recruitment has stepped up and their instructions are don't come to the caliphate, do something -- whatever you can in your area. >> greg: jesse, they are predicting a long battle because they've had so much time to prepare. they are entrenched. ...

Capital of the isis state. the only way to destroy isis was to take back raqqa and mosul, iraq. to prove the state with no state at all. then you prove everything isis has said to its groupies is a big, fat lie. exposing their deadbeats makes it hard for them to recruit dead bodies. isis was able to recruit because they perpetrate themselves as teeming hordes raising across the desert, making those in their path bending in their demand. for some reason, we took forever to counter this message. we thought they were jay-z. we let it slide. now, we must kill them all. it seems that that's the pla...

We are doing this with some care. as you may have read, the isis people dress up as civilians, intending to confuse us. they put blankets over big buildings and streets so our bombers can't see. you have to do it in such a way that you're not hurting civilians and inspiring further generations. >> greg: i don't think anybody's thought that. >> kimberly: we told the civilians and gave ample warning in advance that we are coming and you should leave the area. to infect make sure we can minimize civilian casualties. do you want your cities back? we have people in place to take the town over and r...

Ever since that first gulf war, we've gotten use to seeing the toppling of statues but we see so little of that now. maybe there's a reason for that? what we're doing now is so unbending and relentless. the way it should have been all along. dana, i don't know if my reasoning is correct. i know there is no press so is it the chicken or the egg? no press and so there will be no mercy or there is just no press there and that's why we don't see it? >> dana: there are some very brave journalist but is so dangerous and they cannot guarantee their safety and so they've had to move back. some of the ...

We are doing this with some care. as you may have read, the isis people dress up as civilians, intending to confuse us. they put blankets over big buildings and streets so our bombers can't see. you have to do it in such a way that you're not hurting civilians and inspiring further generations. >> greg: i don't think anybody's thought that. >> kimberly: we told the civilians and gave ample warning in advance that we are coming and you should leave the area. to infect make sure we can minimize civilian casualties. do you want your cities back? we have people in place to take the town over and r...