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This white house for 18 months and i -- you know, when i get told a story the first time, i'm going to do a little bit of checking. so i don't know, i really don't know what happened. and i'm trying to find out. >> is ashley parker, what parts of this story are you most skeptical about at this hour? >> i'm with jonathan. this is a white house where everything leaks. so far, we sort of know what happened but have no idea why. the timing is very savvy and suspect. on the one hand, she's getting out before the midterms which could go poorly. she's getting out before mueller comes forward with any...

Have any right to say that he cannot answer questions if he takes the fifth. >> also joining us right now by skype is professor alan dershowitz. you've had a question to look over the questions. a, what do you make of the fact that this has leaked out so quickly, and what does it tell you about what mueller is looking and needs from the president? >> everything leaks. we should assume everything is going to leak. i think there's only one series of questions that caught me by surprise. everything else was entirely predictable. the questions about some of his financial dealings before the campai...

Candidate? that is a bank shot. what that would reveal is, russia apparently knows more about the american electoral than any american pollster. or anybody in the media nobody thought that donald trump was going to win. including the russians. that's why they -- i would suspect that's why they meddled in that direction, they thought it most disruptive. >> they preferred candidates like bernie sanders and donald trump. they wanted us to fight each other and congratulations. we're fighting with each other. that's kind of the take away from the whole thing. if there was evidence of collusion, som...

That's certainly bad news. there's one piece of good news, i think, for the white house in this is that bob mueller is known as someone who does not leak. and this is not a congressional investigation where, you know, everything leaks. so whatever goes on in this discretion and whenever conclusions are being reached by mueller and his investigators, i don't think we'll be able to find that out until it's all over. and that could be well down the road. now, it is also true that these congressional investigations will also continue and they will leak like sieves to be sheer -- sure. but the inve...

Involved with nixon, is this allowed, do you think? >> well, that's a good question. i think he could put up a good fight and would certainly test the process. i think ultimately it's -- it's going to be mueller's call as to whether he forces the issue. clearly trump just walks away i think the special counsel can probably push on an expedited basis to try to get these things resolved, and i think he's got the -- the wind is behind his sails with the existing law, and i think that a president doesn't have any right to say that he cannot answer questions if he takes the fifth. >> also joining u...