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Plans, he says i haven't got enough. i want to break your unions now. let me just make one last point here, pat, quick. that is, i think when he starts laying people off, he's going to get a reverberation from voters that say, hey, pal this is not what we elected you to do. you are -- you came as a problem solver. you're a problem creator. and i think his numbers are going to start to plummet and i think he will back off. >> here's the thing. let me ask you this, peter. everything you say about facts is accurate. your projections may be valid, but let me say this. scott walker can't back off f...

Poise and cool, i think he breaks them and i think he wins it and i think the democrats, some of them come back and give up collective bargaining. >> peter, you buy that? >> nope. >> how did i know you were going to say that? >> listen, you know, i don't know. pat may be right but i don't think so. this is a governor who campaigned on bringing people together. he had nice soft campaign commercials. he had the backing of the police union hop have now turned against him. he came right in office. he put in about $120 million in tax cuts, 48 million of that was for a health savings account to bene...

>> peter, we have moments. the last word. >> quick point here. pat's point is absolutely correct that the states, that these budgets it's critical. i say take a page out of ronald reagan's book in 1966 in california where he raised taxes by a billion dollars. went 3 to 5% on the state income tax, raises taxes on banks and corporations as well as doing cuts and balanced those budgets. >> going backing to reagan's days as a democrat. peter, quite the card to play. >> pat buchanan, peter fenn, always a fun time with you guys. thanks so much, have a good day. we, the countdown to the royal weddi...

And people jamming into the capitol and people leaving the state and going to illinois, if he caves in, he's done. he's cooked. he has no future. because he can't go home again. so i think even with everything peter says, if he holds his ground, even if he falls in the polls, i think ultimately he wins this battle. does it mean he's got a great future? no, but if i were him, brother, they would carry me out feet first. >> that's a good point. right now pat raises a good point. he may have botched himself into a corner here, and it's very difficult for him to back down. and you know, the troubl...