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Them. and that making the case that since impeachment is a political tool, the goal of it is to convince the public that you are doing things in a fair and just manner and they're certainly not, because they're not abiding by any of the past courtesies or standards that impeachment probes use. paul: how so? they're doing a lot of it in secret through the house intelligence committee rather than the house judiciary committee. that is unusual because both of the other impeachments in our era, nixon and clinton, were done through judiciary, in the open. >> right. i think the reason they are doing...

Cross-examining them or calling them. and that making the case that since impeachment is a political tool, the goal of it is to convince the public that you are doing things in a fair and just manner and they're certainly not, because they're not abiding by any of the past courtesies or standards that impeachment probes use. paul: how so? they're doing a lot of it in secret through the house intelligence committee rather than the house judiciary committee. that is unusual because both of the other impeachments in our era, nixon and clinton, were done through judiciary, in the open. >> right. i...

They said, no. it doesn't make any sense. they're trying to keep everything secret. >> so they are, of course, pushing back on some of the claims you have heard from these women that you show in your video and from others that you spoke to. do you have any reason not to believe what these migrant detainees told you? >> i don't. they spoke sincerely. there was a point where one of the women who was cuban, she spoke some english. and in front of all of us, many of the legislators and also several cbp officers, she challenged them very directly and said that they were not telling the truth about ...

Evidence supporting their claim that paul manafort lied to investigators and breached his plea deal. being a fly on the wall is pretty much the only way any of us would know what this secret evidence was because they went to great lengths to keep everything secret. they cleared the courtroom, shooed out the journalists. they even covered the windows on the doors to keep out any lip readers. paul manafort was there, according to his attorney, but we don't know much more than that. we won't know until a redacted transcript is released. they said what they wanted redacted. the judge pushed back m...