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I mean, after the holocaust, we said never again. so now we have to look at what's going on in we going to find ourselves in a couple of months or a year saying never again. and i'm not dictating that we take these risks but i think we need to consider them. i think that right now we are focused like laser focused on sanctions and additional sanctions and more sanctions. and the impact of the sanctions. they have not -- they have not changed any of mr. putin's behavior. and we need to look at all of the other instruments of a nation's power, diplomatic power, informational power, military powe...

Weapons -- >> the chairman, we doubled our appropriation. after our trips of $3 billion. what they'll tell you we need weapons. we don't need your troops. we need weapons. >> where do the weapons come from? other nato countries? >> other nato countries, of course, the united states. we visited the 82 around airborne operation to get these weapons into the country and ukraine. and it's vital that we get more lethal weapons, particularly air defense, the drones that are lethal. and the surface-to-air missiles. we need to get that in now. the good news, we're going to vote today. we're going to g...

Look at this, like this debate over the no-fly zone. what do you say to folks that say instituting even a limited no-fly zone inevitably starts a hot war with russia between russia and nato? is there a way to avoid a hot war in instilling a no-fly zone? >> so, right now, there seems to be this impression out there that we can conclude this conflict with no risk. and we're already at risk. mr. putin has literally said everything that we're doing san act of war. most recently that all of our economic sanctions are an act of war. so mr. putin considers us at war now. certainly, a limited no-fly z...

>> i think it's an incompetent military. i think they are not able to do what they were trained to do. i think you have a lot of young individuals who also don't have their heart in this -- once they land on the ground and see what they're -- some of them are their relatives. >> it's like canadians and americans fighting. >> that's correct. so, it just -- they just don't have it. and, you know, they're today, also, it looks like climate -- the tanks were stuck in the mud. they thought it would be colder. >> i know. you kept hearing they were waiting for the ground to freeze. >> that's right. n...

He thinks he's going to surround kyiv. if you look at that 141 individual countries that voted against putin it shows that we're surrounding him internationally. >> mike quigley, democrat, member of congress from chicago was on the show yesterday and he said that he's warming to supporting a no-fly zone because the ukrainian people in his mind have earned it. what you guys just thought about, u.s. intelligence thought they were going to fold in two days. is there a point the longer ukraine holds up the longer we have to think about helping militarily? >> i think the more humanitarian or genoci...