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Nogales-tucson area. it was 115 degrees when we were there. these guys are hiking in the desert. it's so remote they can't even take atvs. jesse: some of that inhospitable terrain, it was like huge montana tops. you couldn't put border ferning there. that's where you would have to surge with border agents, correct? >> that area is not suitable for fencing or a wall. but if we have wall in other places then our agents can focus on those remote areas. i asked them, time and time again does the wall work, they said we need a wall because then we can focus on those areas because we don't have to w...

Few weeks ago that was wrong. >> that was wrong. well, we fact check the facts. so let's do it. according to el paso "times another analysis ofcy crime data peaked in 1993. it plunged then in 1996, that's when president bush approved the wall there the bar dwlaer is therier that -- bar dwlaer is there. in four years, violent crime jumped 17% in el paso. we have a special report "out front" from the ground there. first i want to go to caitlin collins live where the president is about to begin that rally. caitlin, interesting choice of a location, right? the president's facts don't seem to or hi...

Mailing them. we saw the seizure that cpb did with fentanyl. those are the things that ice investigation. human trafficking. child exploitation. counter proliferation. joint terrorism ice force. ice has such a wide range of enforcement duties and responsibilities that sometimes that lost behind the immigration debate. steve: matt, ultimately, you know, if they want to do something about ice, change the law. because it is the law of the land. >> absolutely. our officers and special agents are law enforcement professionals and enforce the laws that congress pass. we will continue to enforce the ...

Sacrifice, they are making. a lot of these people are dipping into their meth money for this. >> mark: got it meth heads for national security. thank you, jimmie. would a wall work or not. jason piccolo is a former special eight and supervisor with the department of homeland security and he joins us now. everybody is morning this. we have had nancy pelosi doing her beaded curtain line at this stage i would welcome a 2,000-mile beaded curtain along the southern border it would show a certain kind of resolve. are these critics right that this thing doesn't work, doesn't make any difference, a co...

Be to go outside and feed it into a bird. a lot of people are dipping into their meth money for this. >> got it. thank you, jimmy. so would a wall work or not? a former special agent and supervisor for the department of homeland security and he joins us now. everybody is mocking this. at this stage, i would welcome a 2,000-mile beaded curtain. but are these critics right that it's a complete waste of time? >> no, it'll work. the border is 2,000 miles long and you won't be able to actually wall the whole border, but that'll create points where we could actually apprehend the immigrants coming i...