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Admitting it yet the white house is waffling on this is the u.s. obligated to intervene and what does that entail? >> well it is a nightmare scenario from this white house. they have done everything they can to avoid consequential involvement in syria last two years and we've all seen that. he issued a red line. he did that obviously so that assad would not escalate the war. it appears that he has. and a nightmare for the white house is there is not overwhelming evidence of thousands of people in the street, obviously manifesting the symptoms of what took place. this is a small scale military ...

Gregg, there was large-scale use of chemical weapons and that is not the case we have here. large-scale use, thousands of people injured, we would go after those sites. gregg: watching all of this unfold and what the u.s. does or doesn't do is iran, the ally and benefactor of syria. so if the u.s. does nothing, is that a green light in some ways for tehran and its nuclear weapons program? >> well the entire region to include iranians believe that the united states as a matter of policy is pulling back from the middle east. and it is being very passive and disengaged, the evidence, leaving iraq...

And sending it out to places like california or illinois yeah. martha: liz, thank you. good to see you. >> same here. gregg: a man carjacked by the boston bombings suspect speaks out for the first time what he is saying about his harrowing night and how he escaped clutches of two terrorist suspects. martha: brand new details on the brother's alleged plan to target new york city with their remaining bombs just days after the boston marathon. attack. new york city congressman peter king joins us next. >> he told the fbi apparently that he and his brother had intended to drive to new york and des...

Was detained and the other was killed. martha. martha: that man's story is emerging this morning and it is incredible. molly, with regard to the new york potential hit do the authorities think these suspects might have been able to pull it off? >> reporter: well there are thoughts are despite the immense police presence there and many, many cameras there is no way of telling that it wouldn't have happened. in fact very well might have. despite all of the things that are put in place to prevent something like this with no prior warning there is could have been death and destruction. they have n...

Involved but nonetheless direct intervention by u.s. and nato forces. and then the one that people have been trying to get the obama administration to do to include his own national security team. mrs. clinton, panetta, petraeus and dempsey, all advocated to provide lethal aid to the rebels. that has not been done. that may be done this time. gregg: you said seize the sites. a, do we know the sites, and b, i would assume those sites are protected and thus you're talking about armed combat to seize those sites, american soldiers at risk? >> yeah, absolutely. that is the least likely option to b...