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They're innocent victims, like soybean farmers who could get hurt terribly if china retaliates. and if it was retaliation for something that was well planned, conceived, brought all our allies together, maybe you say tough it out, we're going to win in the end. this just looks like a president who can't shoot straight. now you're starting to see the ricochets and the retaliation hurting a lot of innocent farmers. >> has anyone ever won a trade war? >> well, i think you're right, you can win being tough. you can win taking a tough position. if the united states says to china, seriously, you do ...

Our intellectual property and flooded the market with excess capacity of steel and aluminum. you can see the numbers there. this has driven down the prices worldwide and driven great u.s. companies out of business. the china communist regime ends up distorting the global marketplace. they are not efficient the way they operate. the president reiterated in pennsylvania look, they don't have a hand on the trade issue either. right now we are running $150 billion trade deficit with the e.u. they put up unfair barriers to the agriculture products, massive sub didties to -- subsidiaries and they ha...

The process is aimed at levelling the playing field globally. steel and aluminum have been particularly plagued by subsidized excess capacity which lead to dumping, which led to displacement of domestic markets, led to all sorts of bad things. the president has decided to take bold action to deal with it. it's just the start of unleashing american industry from the unfair trade practices that have hounded us for years. >> trish: mr. secretary, you know many, many people are worried about what they call a trade war. what do you say in response? >> i think the president proved by the statements ...

Lincoln to jackson, to teddy roosevelt, that america must have a strong vibrant and independent manufacturing base. it has to have it. president mckinley who felt very strongly about this, the country was very successful. we actually operated out of cash flow, if you can believe it. the protective tariff policy of the republicans, he said, has made the lives of masses of our countrymen sweeter and brighter and brighter and brighter. it is the best for our citizenship and our civilization and it opens up the higher and better destiny for our people. many politicians lamented the decline of our ...

>> first and foremost, an easy win, although politically difficult, is closing excess bases and facilities. the secretary of defense has come out and said, the military believes they have 19% excess capacity in their bases within the united states. they have to get permission from congress to close the bases. as long as the bases stay open, we're pouring money down the drain, year after year, maintaining the facilities, when the military doesn't need them. that prevents the military from transitioning and rebalancing itself for the types of forces and capabilities we need in the future. >> ebo...