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We know that this e-mail was sent, but we don't know what was said. we don't know what he thought was going to be in there. we don't know what the contents were. so it's really important not to rush, i think, into the breach as this is, therefore, evidence of. this is another piece of the puzzle that we're looking at. i don't think that it -- i don't think it necessarily answers all your questions. >> you could also make the argument, and donald trump jr. could make the argument that, look, i had this meeting. this person turned out to be pitching something that was so ludicrous so that the wh...

Were unwitting assets, who were doing moscow's bidding in hopes they were going to have some financial compensation. but they thought it was all legitimate. >> yeah. >> this could be much worse than where we are now. >> jonathan, that means to the original point, to the point that i think malcolm was also making, for the next foreseeable future this is what we're going to talk about. the bush atrump administration going anywhere. answering russian collusion, or potential obstruction of justice. >> answering those questions, not answering those questions or dealing with tweets from the presiden...

Dealing with tweets from the president who keeps coming back to it when the administration wants to talk about other things. remember infrastructure week? we were supposedly talking about that. instead the president keeps digging the hole deeper. to this excuse making for the president, yeah, he's not a politician, he doesn't know the customs and the mores of washington, d.c., of the swamp, if you will, but you know what? the american people, whether the person is a politician or not, when they send the president of the united states through the white house, they expect that person to be prepa...

If they looked at what they had, they'd have to say, there is nothing new. >> jon: a rose garden ceremony we looked at all of this before. for the president to sign the ergo there is no case. religious liberty executive order. as i started to say before, and and then, two days before the election, he came back and essentially said that, but it prevents, would prevent the prosecution or loss of was too late then. >> jon: it was too late. tax-exempt status to any what do you think about that? faith-based organization that >> i don't think that's quite makes political proclamation and right. insi...

Property? and he could answer simple questions like why didn't you review this in a skiff on capitol hill instead of the white house, which he essentially in his answer to that yesterday said, patrick healy, i couldn't get the information over to capitol hill, essentially saying it's from the executive branch, no? >> right, exactly. and he's playing real defense on this, you know, trying to sort of bob and weave and suggesting, well, i saw foreign dignitaries who i saw hello to. it sounds like a lot of excuse-making. but the bigger picture, poppy, is the one you get at, which is the sense that...