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Hillary will be trying to stress, too, in these coming days. i want to close with one more question, though. just looking back if you can think back to the start of your campaign against hillary clinton and the end of it, is there anything that you look back and said boy, that surprised me about her? i didn't expect she was going to be good at this or vulnerable on that? was there a big surprise about her? >> no, she had started about a year earlier than me. so she had started her listening tour which was perfect for her because she was able to roll herself out, not take question not engage wi...

For an excellent candidate. he's not saying that about any of the other democrats. but one of the worries she has, headed in for a general election she kind of somehow overlearned some of the lessons from 2008. and you know you ended up mentioning that memo that was just sent out and leaked to the press about how the clinton campaign, we're all going to be one family. we're not going to have internal disputes. this is all about hillary clinton clinton. we're supposed to represent her. 2008, it was chaos, internal strife. and they're trying to give us the message yes, we've learned from 2008. b...

"the chicago sun-times," with the progressive campaign for america's future and joe watkins, republican strategist who was a white house aide to president george h.w. bush. mark, in washington here it is. so much talk really i don't know, back since 2012 about the hillary campaign in 2016. we have finally reached the day when she gets in this race. so it seems clear her campaign is taking pains to make it -- this will be a small-scale, humility taking nothing for granted. are you buying that that's actually going to be their approach? >> well, that's certainly the message they're trying to age...