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Who commit crimes against national security can be pardoned. and i don't think anyone in the executive position wants to do that. >> i appreciate you coming on the show and talking through this with us. thank you. i'm going over to sara and vivian now. sara, both of you guys were nodding and reacting during valerie's interview. >> i think regardless of what you think about the ethics of this miff, whether you think it's unethical, it would be a political move from the white house from their perspective. >> explain that. >> because i think instead of talking about how potentially unprecedented ...

Couldn't have gotten along, really, better. i mean, i think tillerson's a smart guy, sophisticated. but it didn't fit. the concern i have is -- i'm sure bob would feel the same way, if you have too much staff change, it's hard to function. it's different, you know, as a senator it's one thing. congressman, senator, i mean, you could have all these changes. when you have an executive position, like you're governor, and you have all these people quitting all the time, it's hard to get anything done, get traction, have a cohesive anything. and so that's kind of the problem i see here with everyth...

Not senators. am i reading that wrong? >> we are forced, we create jobs. we build the roads. we fund the schools. there's a back ground for a governor in an executive position. >> you've been reaching out to democratic state parties. when are you going to announce your intentions for 2020? it seems very clear to people who know you, including fans of yours. i'm not just talking about potential come pet toward. fans of yours. it seems clear that you are on that road. >> democrats should not be talking about 2020. if we don't do well in 2018, two thifrth state legislatures are controlled by repu...

Who knows if he asked that qestion, when rosenstein testified before congress, it is my belief that he indicated that he was never pressured, only oath asked to take was his oath of office, so, you know, it is not uncommon for a president or a governor or anyone in the executive position to ask someone that they're making an appointment for that, you know, are you certainly going to be on my team? i don't think there is any hit of obstruction of justice there or anything like that. certainly the president wants people that aren't going to be around him that are going to be constantly running t...

Didn't like having them on the floor because they thought it was bad luck. donald trump has been terrible to -- on any issues of race. but don't forget his supporters will come out and say, but he opened up mar-a-lago to blacks and jews so i guess that qualifies. >> she's a republican, nicolle. she's a black republican. i'm a registered black democrat. none of us could name an executive in his casinos in 35 years. i know every black executive for one reason or another for the last three decades. i've never met a black that even accused him of putting them on an executive position in his busine...