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>> well, that's debatable. i believe both io bush at administration and obama administration contested the idea of the statute actually compelling the disclosure of the executive privilege stuff. according to a lot of constitutional scholars, there's a solid argument that the president could have done something absolutely terrible or said something absolutely terrible and he still within its constitutional prerogatives to keep that secret. so the law is going to be disputed in all of that and i take ari's point and i generally agree that we should be very skeptical about all of this. there are...

Kushner, ivanka trump, other people around the president during these times that have had speculation on them by the special counsel, what does the report say about them? jared kushner is one of the people, he works in the white house. he has top secret security clearance. it will be interesting not only what does did say about the president but the people around him. >> however, on that issue, i mean i think that issue is answered. it may be embarrassing what they did. it is questionable. there's no indictment. that's the question as to whether their conduct crossed the line. >> i'm hearing f...

Would be totally above the law. i agree with congressman nadler there. i think the executive privilege stuff is one he really shouldn't assert. if he tries to assert it, he's going to lose for exactly the reason the congressmen said, which is the nixon tapes case. so it would be one thing if it's over a particular source or method or something like that, but, you know, this president has a history of using these kinds of defenses in a kind of tandanious way. >> you said something interesting about someone who was on chris cuomo's show, which i walk every night. you said, people will be poorly ...

That would mean that a president would be totally above the law. i agree with congressman nadler there. i think the executive privilege stuff is one he really shouldn't assert. if he tries to assert it, he's going to lose for exactly the reason the congressmen said, which is the nixon tapes case. so it would be one thing if it's over a particular source or method or something like that, but, you know, this president has a history of using these kinds of defenses in a kind of t tandanious way. >> you said something interesting about someone who was on chris cuomo's show, which i walk every nigh...