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So where does the republican party go from here? joining us now for an exit interview of sorts is fred upton from michigan retiring after 18 terms in congress. thanks for being here. >> yeah. good to be with you. >> there are a lot of people out there that don't want you to retire. >> been hearing from some all around the country. >> they think it's a bad omen for politics because you're bipartisan and work across the aisle, for the kind of republican you are, kind of like a gerald ford republican. >> i represent part of his old district. >> yeah. so do you think your retirement is for boding,...

Exit interview, why are they leaving? >> when we have less police officers, what it boils down to is less working patrol and less detectives working cases, so when you have less police officers working patrol and you still want to deliver the same quality of services, that means they have to work additional hours, and they have to work mandatory overtime. and you don't have the same number of detectives you used to have. that means your case let's go up, so today's young police officer, they value their work-life balance. they value their training, their education. they value their time off wi...

Boycott voting. >>, guys thank you very. much good to see. you tim o'brien is a senior columnist at bloomberg. a pulitzer prize-winning journalist and founder of d.c. airport dot or, they're both authors of important books about donald trump. that does it for me, thank you for doing velshi this weekend and catch me next saturday and sunday from 18 pm. eastern do not forget that velshi is available as a podcast. you can listen to the entire show on the go. anytime subscribe and listen to for free wherever you get your. podcast state where. you are the sunday show with jonathan kaye part begins ...

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He's like, forget it. he picks up the phone, calls the parents. what can we do? we can't bring your child back, but what can we do. is that an emblematic of his leader? >> i jokingly call him the cashmere prince. he's smooth, funny. he's very forward. the reason i've known him so well, he was very early to digital and very few executives were. he said if someone is going to eat our lunch, it might as well be us which was shocking at the time. he's always leaned forward in ways. he's got a real commanding presence and makes really strong decisions. that's very, very important. he does it with a...