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This point, they expected new speaker of the house nancy pelosi, she is working to appeal to her most progressive wings. the most progressive democrats, this is how she does it. and i cannot imagine what a lot of people that she would ever give president trump a win on anything. that would mean anything that is called funding for a border wal wall. >> you do have to give them credit, to your point i agree with you, rachel. but either way what he does in the media is going to get crucified for it, when he did the cut out before, oh, he is the one in washington still wanted to make progress, the...

White house and congressional lawmakers. they want that money and the president says he won't budge. >> eric: meanwhile, kevin, the president and former chief of staff john kelly are exchanging words over kelly's interview to the "l. a. times." >> it was a pretty interesting exit interview by general kelly with the "l. a. times." the president is pushing back on this idea that the general floated that this notion of a wall, a solid barrier, a concrete wall has been vacated years ago, he says. it's old news. it is not happening. the president saying not so fast, my friend. as you pointed out he...

Down. he adds this. what he says now. taxpayers must pay for the wall. the democrats own the shutdown. he ends with a quip promises made, promises broken. the white house tells me and they have said consistently the message is easy. no wall funding, no deal. leland? >> leland: we heard from chuck schumer no deal unless you give up the wall. the impasse continues right now. the president and i guess now his former chief of staff john kelly exchanging some words about this border wall. is this semantics or was there a real gaffe there between how they felt about things? >> i think there is hones...

Mar-a-lago. >> plus much more from chief of staff john kelly's exit interview. what he couldn't or wouldn't say before. we're back with more on that. n t pour on the lactaid, 100% real milk, just without that annoying lactose. mmm, that's good.

Publicly pushing back on his outgoing chief of staff reacting this morning to john kelly's exit interview with the l.a. times where the general dismisses a key talking point for the president during the shutdown over funding for his border wall. kelly said, to be honest, it's not a wall. the president still says wall, oftentimes, frankly, he'll say barrier or fencing. he's tended towards steel slats, but we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it. the president is trying to set the record straight in the first twe...