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It won't just be the moderators, anderson cooper and martha radditz, there will be voters donald trump has to face when he's on the stool. and geena, do you think he's ready for it? >> i absolutely think he's ready for it. let's not forget, he's the person that wrote the art of the comeback. he's in the sweet spot when the chips are stacked against him. how many times did all of us sit on television and say he's done, this is where he always manages to come back stronger than ever. i look for that tonight. >> when you talk about format, hillary clinton just in the primary, she took part in a l...

We got our -- people watching this debate. share the numbers with us. >> that's right. wolf. remember, this is a poll among debate watchers, not among all voters. among debate watchers tonight, it was a slightly democratic advantage in the audience, more democrats than republicans were watching tonight. take a look at who they think won. mike pence, 48% say he won the debate to tim kaine at 42%. as you know, wolf, this is a game of expectations. so look at this. did tim kaine do better or worse than you expected? 43% said he did worse. 38% say he did better. how about mike pence, what did he d...

Easily. that's not what dump things. in recent weeks he's developed a pretty good ground game in iowa. if he wins iowa -- >> he, being trump. >> trump. if he wins iowa, rev, it's over, he's the republican nominee. >> do you agree with that? >> you can never say it's over in politics but he'll then win new hampshire and go south with a huge head of steam and hard to stop. i don't think it's likely. probably cruz winning iowa, trump winning new hampshire and then the question becomes who does better than expected. it becomes an expectations game, so if a chris christie -- >> i want to come back ...

>> and in new hampshire big. not really managing the expectations game, but he doesn't care. >> and he's never done that before. the conventional thing to do was to manage expectations and i've seen it, so we can overperformed and donald trump, it does the exact opposite. that's why people see him as unconventional, not a typical politician and that's why they've gravitated to him. >> let's go in tomorrow night. what is his strategy? is it everyone versus donald trump or is it donald trump/ted cruz versus everyone else? >> i think it's more likely it's going to be everybody against ted cruz. w...

>> ben, i'm going to throw it to you. is jeb bush toast? >> no, he's not. central part of the debates to get to your policies is to be able to master the performance arts of the debates. governor bush needs to do that. aside from that, there's another chance. we not ought get too wrapped up in precisely what happens here. >> beyond the debate in terms of the campaign, he was supposed to be the front-runner, was supposed to be the juggernaut and he's not. >> timing. >> exceeding expectations in iowa and new hampshire. they've done a good job of setting the expectations game. >> he's not talking...