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Course we played a pro -- a progressive base and against nafta and the bankruptcy bill and a whole bunch of issues as a progressive but we have to talk to workers. if we do that, i predict whoever raises his or her hand on january 20th, 20 -- whoever year it would be, 2021, they will talk about the dignity of work in his or her inaugural speech. >> sharpen that. you are trying to say, look, democrats need to be thinking about a way to talk to voters broadly and appeal broadly and you are an experience running in ohio where there is a bunch of different constituents and as opposed to what is th...

>> donald trump allowing for brenda snipes to be fired for her handling of the florida election and recount. jillian: the president saying i should have been removed in the middle of this mixup, questionable practice piles up, is it time for snipes to go? rob: former florida congressional candidate, you have experience running for a seat in florida what do you think? >> alan west's seat is held by brian mass, great guy. you would think they would get this right. everything comes down to florida. they had a major snafu, we had our gore and bush for all the world to see. what is really concernin...

They're poor because they don't feel like they got a chance and every time they reach for the next one on the ladder it's the boot of government that often comes crashing against their head because the programs penal penalize people for wanting to work harder. >> you say you've had experience running against the clinton machine. technically arkansas by the time you took the governor's mansion. how will that be an advantage. >> when people say they were gone bill clinton was governor for 12 years. that means a thousand people a year he appoint the to office. when i came in first as lieutenant g...

Government not doing its job. >> secure the borders first. >> absolutely. >> on the size of government you said in 2008 i'm thought a republican because i grew up rich and as our piece documented you did not. you said i'm a republican because i didn't want to spend the rest of my life poor waiting for the government to rescue me. explain that. >> poverty is an industry in america. there are a lot of people who are poor in america who are poor because the government traps them. this nonsense people are boar because they want to be that's not true. people respect poor because they like to be mor...

When he looked like the certain nominee and then imploded. that you're george mcgovern was running and figured, i know ed muskie seems to be the forgone conclusion so i'm running anyway. so nothing to lose for those who go ahead and want to run if to nor other reason -- if for no other reason than to get some experience running. that's what many used as the argument for bill clinton running, and he ultimately took it all. i guess what i'm saying is, why is this forgone conclusion, written in stone, it's hillary's to lose. when we're so often -- you remind that early bets are wrong. >> and with...