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Also, thanks to some expert use of the freedom of information act, buzzfeed reporter jason leopold was able to pry loose from the justice department hundreds of pages of fbi notes from the mueller investigation this weekend. this is just the first chunk of this kind of material that's going to be released on a rolling ongoing basis now. but just this first chunk that just came out, holy cow, is there some astonishing stuff in there. we're going to get to that coming up this hour, too. all this stuff is just happening at once. the president announcing today that the u.s. is formally giving noti...

The essence festival. it is a very celebratory mood here. everyone is of course intently interested in this trial of george zimmerman and how it turns out. it involves the loss of life of trayvon martin. we're here joined by msnbc legal expert lisa plume, and florida attorney joseph hains davis. let me start with lisa about this. i want to do a little previewing now of the defense. will there be a defense, first of all to you, lisa. >> i think there will. mark o'mara has said this week publicly that he does intend to put on a defense. i know that he made a motion in the court to put on an expe...

>> well, one thing that happened in the jimmy carter days, he tried a similarly dramatic rescue of the american hostages, and in many ways, it sealed jimmy carter's fate and reinforced the idea that the democrats going back to vietnam, to the george mcgovern campaign where he was against the war and so on, that the democrats were both wary of, inept about, and opposed to the use, the expert use of tough military actions. this is a case where president obama and his team were brave in the choices they made. they were surgical in what they did. and they succeeded to the utmost. and i think that'...

>> well, one thing that happened in the jimmy carter days, he tri tri tried to rescue the american hostages, and it in many ways it sealed his fate and reinforced the idea that the democrats going back to vietnam, to the george mcgovern campaign where he was against the war and so on, that the democrats were both wary of, inept about, and opposed to the use, the expert use, of tough military actions. this is a case where president obama and his team were brave in the choices they made. they were surgical in what they did. and they succeeded to the utmost. and i think that's going to go a long ...