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To tell the truth to congress, and so no one should have been surprised today when she refused to call a cage a cage. >> just yes or no, are we still putting children in cages? >> to my knowledge, cbp never purposely put a child in a cage, if you mean a cage like this. >> purposely or whatever, are we putting children in cages as of today? >> children are processed at the border facility stations that you've been at, some of -- >> and i've seen the cages. i just want you to admit that the cages exist. >> sir, they're not cages. >> what is a chain link fence enclosed in a chamber on a concrete ...

Children? >> sir, we don't use cages for children. in the border facilities that you've been to, they were not made to detain children. as the children are processed through, they are in some parts of those facilities. >> madam, madam secretary -- >> i'm being as clear as i can, sir. >> just yes or no, are we still putting children in cages? >> to my knowledge, they never purposely put a child in a cage. >> purposefully or whatever, are we putting children in cages as of today? >> children are processed at the border facility stations that you've been at. >> and i've seen the cages. i just wan...

How they were executed. >> are we still putting children in cages? >> to my knowledge, they never purposely put a child in a case. >> purposely or whatever. are we putting children in cages as of today? >> children are processed at the border facility stations that you have been at. some of them -- >> i have seen the cages. i just want you to admit that the cages exist. >> any asylum seeker who comes to a port of entry, you basically have -- let me tell you, madam secretary, either you are lying to this committee or you don't know what's happening at the border. >> some tough words from the co...

Very important but more of a domestic side, she had to go through the vetting, she had to submit the paper work and just like everybody else, she should have been ad adjusted on the mer its whether or not there was a legitimate security concern that warranted denying her but that did not happen here. >> appreciate it, thank you both. >> absolutely. the crux of the president's national emergency declaration taken to task today on capitol hill at homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen was grilled over the president's push for a wall at the southern border. the asylum process and the deat...

As of today? >> children are processed at the border facility stations that you've been at -- >> and i've seen the cages. i just want you to admit that the cages exist. >> sir, they're not cages. >> what are they? >> areas of the border facility that are carved out -- >> by chain link fence. >> right. >> by any other name, how did she handle that, matthew? >> family separation policy was unpopular from the beginning, and it hurt the trump administration, continues to do so. moreover, it seems to have been ineffective, and this "the new york times" story that you quote today gives all the detai...