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Of my family i have to start talking to the prosecutors that that would be a bad bad thing for the president. that's just a sense. i don't think anybody have great fact basis to back that sense up yet. part of the issue here is that some people are trying to solve all these problems politically and those people are making things legally worse at times. and, you know you need a smart lawyer and probably multiple smart lawyers to rye to navigate those two forces, those two pressures in a process like this. to everyone's point they don't seem to have a great team, a great group of humans who can ...

Doesn't listen to them. for cohen's concern, donald trump hasn't wasted any time. they are hatching legal and p.l. strategy on their own undercutting the entire white house staff. what do you think that says about the threat they think cohen represents to this president and his presidency? >> well, look, he's the president's lawyer, right? so obviously there is sort of an almost instinctive sense that if cohen were to, as donny described, were to decide in the best interest of my family, i have to start talking to the prosecutors, you know, that that would be a bad, bad thing for the president...

Anything in there that jeopardizes our national security or sources or methods. >> all right. well, look, good because i would hope you wouldn't want to release it otherwise if you actually knew that. however, a few questions. one, you haven't seen the fact basis for the conclusions. that has to give you some pause. >> that's right. >> you're reading conclusions. you don't know where they come from. you say you trust devin nunes. member of trump transition team devin nunes, running around at the white house getting intelligence, playing games, not telling the rest of the committee, getting inv...

Knew that. however, a few questions. one, you haven't seen the fact bases for the conclusion that has to give you pause. you're reading conclusions you don't know where they came from. you trust devin nunes. running around at the white house getting intelligence. playing games. not telling the rest of the committee. getting investigated. he didn't read the fact basis for the conclusions of his memo either. devin nunes who like you and everybody else who says this is the right move hasn't seen the fisa application. that you're criticizing. where does your confidence come from? >> how does ghet ...

Hand. hopefully the democrats will grasp that hand and work with us to start solving these enormous challenges. >> you guys in congress always stand up and applaud rightly when we have guys who have sacrificed at those speeches. the question is do you follow through and take care of them. even owens' widow, the services she needs, the health care the kids will need and the benefits. will you be there for that? immigration was a big theme. the fact basis in the president, i want your take, lawless chaos. you know, senator, immigrants in this country, even illegal ones, undocumented ones, do not...