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Deadliness cajun to -- declassify them. it's up to the government to have the burden of truth or trying to deprive a man of his liberty to show that no such order was in fact given. >> does any of that makes sense to you, do you see any kind of coherent legal strategy and all this? >> it's a public relations strategy. again, it's not a legal strategy. it's questionable if he did anything that would declassify the documents that are relevant. >> there would be a paper trail? >> there would be a paper trail. and the documents would've been marked as declassified and the rest of worldwide been to...

There, how would not raising the ceiling affect us and how fast are we going to be feeling this? >> i think two answers to that question. the first is the short term. we don't know what effect it would have. but the fact is the economy is still very weak. economies tend to be weak in the aftermath of financial crises. something like this would have the potential to cause unemployment to rise again. we don't know whether it would but it would have the potential. second issue is the longer term iss issue. not making good on the financial issues in the world is not of the interest of this country...