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Immediately. steve: dana this is like -- conservatives are school choice. my idea is like way -- >> it is interesting, i'm a product of public schools, and there are many public schools that do very well. i'm curious how this would work in rural america which is where i'm from. have a free market solution exist with no government control and no government resources. steve: the voucher there, the resources are there. >> given to private companies to do the school system? >> that's the idea, and the real point here is that i think that the factory schools, the old-fashioned way of teaching kids ...

Parents ought to have one, and i think kids don't have one so i was going to fight for them. that's what we did. you talked about the innovation economy, we won't have one if these kids aren't graduating from high school. we are in a state with 80% graduation rate. 13% of the kid of color are going to four-year colleges. that's not a recipe for success. the next governor will have to set high standard and bring technology into our classrooms. rethink what schools look like. we pattern our schools including the school year after an agrarian economy that doesn't make sense. steve: i talked about...

Think kids don't have one so i was going to fht for them. that's what we did. you talked about the innovation economy, we won't have one if these kids aren't graduating from high school. we are in a state with 80% graduation rate. 13% of the kid of color are going to four-year colleges. that's not a recipe for success. the next governor will have to set high standard and bring technology into our classrooms. rethink what schools look like. we pattern our schools including the school year after an agrarian economy that doesn't make sense. steve: i talked about it, too. they like factory schools...

Think kids don't have one so i was going to fight for them. that's what we did. you talked about the innovation economy, we won't have one if these kids aren't graduating from high school. we are in a state with 80% graduation rate. 13% of the kid of color are going to four-year colleges. that's not a recipe for success. the next governor will have to set high standard and bring technology into our classrooms. rethink what schools look like. we pattern our schools including the school year after an agrarian economy that doesn't make sense. steve: i talked about it, too. they like factory schoo...

Emergency financial manager robert bob defended the massive restructuring. >> some people may think, as i stated earlier, that our plan is too ambitious, but the bottom line is that we have lagged behind for far too long. >> so is the plan overdue? is it simply too disruptive? joining us now to talk about this is doug ross, who is the founder of the university preparatory system, a charter school that has been extremely successful in boosting graduation rates. welcome to you, sir. >> thanks. >> i just want to ask you. the detroit public school system has consistently lagged behind the rest of ...