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Corridors? do you say we are americans and support from world war ii on? humanitarian values in europe and provide an avenue for people to exit that might include an air corridor or do you say we're no afraid of a third rate military power. we have seen that in ukraine. we so afraid of them we won't project american values in ukraine. i think putin sees a vulnera vulner vulnerability in afghanistan and iraq. from the american side you have to say we have to project american values despite the threats. intercede somewhere here. >> the current head of the cia said putin's grip on russia tightene...

Risky spot because much more russian equipment will be moved in. i want to be clear. there is options. there is a no fly zone over ukraine and western ukraine and a humanitarian no fly zone. i think we've done a lot as the u.s. and allies so this isn't an attack on the response so far. i fear we're going to get to the moment where we're going to be compelled to and we should not fear russia in that context. >> you've reached two interesting ideas, which a lot of people haven't talked about. i want to ask about them further. one of them is basically kind of an air corridor, humanitarian air cor...

From kyiv, not long ago, it does seem that the capital city of ukraine is, you know, under threat of being captured. i'm wondering how tangible the threat is and what you're hearing on the ground. >> the yeah. it's in jeopardy, obviously. in terms behalf i'm hearing now, it's quiet. you look out and the expanse of the ukrainian capital behind me. it seems very calm. there's nobody on the streets. you can't hear jets in the sky and you can't hear the thundering air strikes we witnessed 24-hours ago. i know for a fact, 15 miles away, there's an air base which has been taken over by russian speci...

Help them do that themselves? are there more things in that tool kit? >> i'm really surprised they're using commercial truckers, trains. so they're actually getting to the fighting units inside ukraine. just magnificent. but, you know, president zelenskyy actually needs air power to stop the pounding. but the pounding isn't some humanitarian narrow air corridor over a select number of cities. he needs to strike the place that's are attacking him. that means artillery on the ground, you know, within 15

For a humanitarian air corridor, for empowering the ukrainians to fight back. and i guess there's some people who are questioning whether if we continue not to respond then putin will just keep going as far as he can. general, let me turn to you, you're back with us, after listening to some of that pentagon briefing from john kirby there. what stood out to you? >> i'm kind of -- i'm kind of headed into dr. stent's, angela's camp on this. i've been against no-fly zones and careful about the idea of bringing in mig 29s. but the russians keep raising the violence, breaking every norm, and -- but ...