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That we have grown accustomed to in the movies. this was the two sides just sort of over and over and over again, the republicans and the democrats, no matter who the member was, basically ended up saying the same thing. and i think in the end, you can say the democrats were saying that the president is not above the law and the republicans were saying that this whole thing is a sham. to ruth's point about the dissonance in these two realities here, one is reality and one is fantasyland. it's only going to get worse from here. >> michael beschloss, you said earlier, and ruth said, i guess, the...

Standoff with senamajority lead mitch mcconnell, she will not send over the articles of impeachmentth until mcconnell agrees to democratic witness requests. who has more leverage, joining me from capitol hill, congressman eric swalwell on the intelligence and judiciary committees. congressman, what is the play here? would nancy pelosi hold up the articles of impeachment and naming managers indefinitely if mitch mcconnell doesn't cave in? >> good afternoon. the play so to speak, the americanto people and the president deserve a fair trial. the president abused his power of the p presidency to a...

Does have some precedent here in terms of modern history, since we didn't have a senate trial in the nixon case, he resigned before he was actually impeached. there is senate history here for them working together and establishing the procedures so she would know, geoff bennett, who to appoint. >> you're right, and she spoke about that precedent in the press conference today. i think the thing that democrats realize is that such that they have any leverage in a senate trial, it really is at the beginning, and that once the trial kicks off, their leverage, their influence dissipates. that's one...