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Touch, they go, fine. but the people in the middle will say, that -- i don't believe that. you say that barack obama is going to gut medicare, which is what mitt romney suggested, people don't believe that. again, the voters that romney will need in the fall don't believe that. you say that mitt romney or mitt romney in this case says that barack obama told the president of russia, i need more flexibility, the open mic episode as evidence that he is not entirely american, that he wants to sell america out, this is something that, in fact, most people on the voting constituencies that mitt romn...

Touch, they go, fine. but the people in the middle will say, that -- i don't believe that. you say that barack obama is going to gut medicare, which is what mitt romney suggested, people don't believe that. again, the voters that romney will need in the fall don't believe that. you say that mitt romney or mitt romney in this case says that barack obama told the president of russia, i need more flexibility, the open mic episode as evidence that he is not entirely american, that he wants to sell america out, this is something that, in fact, most people on the voting constituencies that mitt romn...

What they do. everybody knows this is a transparent tactic. even the guy who is best at this, even the guy who invented this, karl rove himself isn't very good at pulling it off anymore. you may remember karl rove writing in the "wall street journal" last month, trying sort of a variation of this tactic recently. instead of just putting your own candidate's weakness on the other guy, the other side of this, right, is taking away your opponent's greatest strength. taking on whatever it is your opponent is best at and trying to make it look like a liability. mr. rove took a quote from bill clint...

And we're also hearing in part from the candidate, we need pennsylvania. if we don't have pennsylvania, there's no way forward. >> well, the candidate's right. we have to win pennsylvania. and we've said before, we have to win states like texas and we have to win almost every state, we think, in may. truth of the matter is, in almost all those states, we are ahead. i saw you put a poll up that shows us two points up in pennsylvania, there was also a quinnipiac out today that showed us six points up. there's a whole mess of conservatives in the rest of the part of the state which i think rick s...

From the candidate, we need pennsylvania. if we don't have pennsylvania, there's no way forward. >> well, the candidate's right. we have to win pennsylvania. and we've said before, we have to win states like texas and we have to win almost every state, we think, in may. truth of the matter is, in almost all those states, we are ahead. i saw you put a poll up that shows us two points up in pennsylvania, there was also a quinnipiac out today that showed us six points up. there's a whole mess of conservatives in the rest of the part of the state which i think rick santorum will do very well. it's...