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What are you thinking? >> you know, i think there are definitely going to be two because you can't get away from abuse of power or contempt of congress. if there's any more, it's just a matter of -- it's politics with the public's perspective and the public support and maybe draftsmanship. >> how about censure, there are those that suggest that may be the way to go because it is not as severe and then to that end, some republicans could say, all right, we could get behind that once the facts are all presented. what do you think? >> i presented that idea about a year ago and it was shot down ra...

Collusion in the 2016 election. there are two series. one of them, as has been pointed out a number of times, quite rightly, is completely discredited and debunked. that is this idea that it was somehow the ukrainians rather the russians who did the hacking on the dnc accounts. i think it's very regrettable that president trump seems to be at least open to that theory, and that is the impression we get from the july 25th conversation. >> bill: your position has been, "go ahead and admit it, and use your fallback position." >> my position with respect to this is totally different, which is that...

Testimony at this point in time. we don't have a lot of documents, i assume they're trying to get that. there will be fights over that. maybe the state department as opposed to the white house, they can prize personal records. but the evidence is pretty overwhelming. there was not just one quid pro quo, there were three quid pro quos, the white house meeting, the $400 million in military assistance and the javelin missiles trump will talk about, if you will do me a favor, though, so you know trump keeps talking about substance and the republicans keep saying there is nothing there. the fallbac...

He also had a target on his back and u.s. forces and their local kurdish partners ferociously attacked that state. and now sending their leader on the run, and now it seems, according to multiple sources, that he was targeted in a raid near the turkish border in a place called -- in a province called idlib, which was a fallback position for many of the extremist fighters. and that the man who lost his caliphate apparently lost his life. >> richard, earlier we spoke to michael weiss of "the daily beast" who said he was surprised that this region near the turkish border, this is where baghdadi a...

>> other than that, i do not see north korea giving up weapons now you're back to a fallback position that has to deter their use. if president trump wants to be bold and do this he needs to execute. commanders are responsible for three things, communicate intent, decide among alternatives to achieve and the third is to supervise the implementation. we're falling down on number three, trump says were playing out afghanistan, we don't pull up. he says pull out of syria, we don't pull out of syria. he has instincts and he should follow through. >> the president as he says he received another lov...