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Reasonable doubt. walk us through what you would expect the prosecutors hope jurors will do in that jury room with the evidence. someone who is speaking vaguely with reasonable doubt is going to have to reason with a room full of people and say look at these tax forms. >> i think nick is making important points, particularly on the tax fraud counts, because you actually have documents that manafort -- where manafort lied. lied because we know that there are other facts about, you know, falsifying documents, knowing they were falsified. his own bookkeeper and accountants not knowing that he had...

Accountant back in april before the raids happen. in the trial of paul manafort, sat through hours of testimony from his former business associate rick gates, a former trump campaign deputy chairman. he said he and manafort together engaged in for years. for instance hiding bank accounts in cyprus. falsifying documents and much more. gate's testimony has portrayed basically a criminal enterprise. and gates described manafort as a man who went broke. gates also has established conditions under which paul manafort who a few months after financial distress would have been extremely vulnerable in

Before they split up because one of them has turned state's evidence, whether the two of them have reaped huge amounts of money, which they did not pay taxes on, which they violated any number of different laws and regulations about because of their greed. that's what will ultimately be before the jury. >> on the greed, so you have gloria, this battle of two liars. you have the admitted liar and you have the accused liar. ultimately it is the jury who will decide who they believe. >> right. also don't forget there are documents they'll be looking at. there's an accountant, there's a woman who ...

Testifying with immunity his now former account want said she helped paul manafort and his former associate rick gates commit tax fraud by falsifying documents. prosecutors are trying to prove manafort evaded taxes on millions while working for a pro-russia party in ukraine and then faked loan documents once the cash dried up. with us for more tonight ken delaney in our nbc news intelligence and national security reporter and eric tucker, justice department reporter for the associated press. gentlemen, welcome to you both. ken, how effective was today? and part of what's getting the press toda...

A key witness today in the trial for president trump's former campaign chairman admitted she cooked the books in an effort to help paul manafort hide money. testifying with immunity his now former account want said she helped paul manafort and his former associate rick gates commit tax fraud by falsifying documents. prosecutors are trying to prove manafort evaded taxes on millions while working for a pro-russia party in ukraine and then faked loan documents once the cash dried up. with us for more tonight ken delaney in our nbc news intelligence and national security reporter and eric tucker, ...