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Noti for example, i qualified for family programs and assist the individual to determine the number and spacing of their children. now, i didn't really think that's the government's job. i really, i don't think i need any more assistance in that area. but the bigger question is, brenda, this is all basically free money. as you expand the trough, as you expand the access to people, people are going to flock to it. what does that do? it makes us beholden to government. the more beholden to government more obama on the left and government wants to raise taxes to feed that trough. >> brenda: i sco...

Was fierce with some democrats bringing in elmo or you name your character. defending that. but now does it change the whole dynamic? >> look, fight to phase out corporation for public broadcasting and the national public radio is difficult. the family programs are popular. there is always an arguement that the rural station suffer and rural communities will suffer without the stations, without the federal funding. this was going to be an uphill battle as tucker points out. our debt and deficit are too high at this point to argue that cancer research and home heating oil is less important than...

Was fierce with some democrats bringing in elmo or you name your character. defending that. but now does it change the whole dynamic? >> look, fight to phase out corporation for public broadcasting and the national public radio is difficult. the family programs are popular. there is always an arguement that the rural station suffer and rural communities will suffer without the stations, without the federal funding. this was going to be an uphill battle as tucker points out. our debt and deficit are too high at this point to argue that cancer research and home heating oil is less important than...

J. lee, four hours after lee took three people hostage in the lobby of the company's headquarters. he had a gun and explosives strapped to his body. national correspondent catherine herridge was there yesterday. catherine, we know he was known to discovery channel in the days before this hostage situation? >> reporter: well, jon, yesterday, one of the first thing i had came from a discovery channel employee who said to me that james lee was well-known to people in the building because of a protest that he staged two years previously. court records show that february 2008, james lee was convict...