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About, let's win with ben carson. he said gun victims should fight back. that would solve the problem. and then also had an interview at which he talked about being at a pop eye chicken. and he did not fight back. let me play for you what he did in that situation. >> guy comes in, puts the gun in my ribs. i just said i believe you that want the guy behind the counter. he thought -- >> that's what you said, in that calm way? >> in that calm way. he said, oh, okay. >> so you just redirected him to -- >> i redirected him. >> okay. >> don't shoot me, shoot that guy. that's one of his suggestions. ...

Who survived and shot multiple times and still many people were killed. and the fantasy vision is deeply assaulting people in the shooting. it's a reality challenge. >> giving ben carson the benefit of his own intentions, this is a very coldly logical man. okay? he is a surgeon. he looking at things very forensically. he says he wasn't trying to offend the victims. he's saying this is what people should do in these circumstances. i think his answer to be the mintz scenario, mintz the hero, everybody should have gone with him. >> well, when they asked him about it, he did not know about chris m...