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>> was george w. bush at all defensive about the criticism from his father? >> he was surprised by it. i think is safe to say. he said dad never said any of this to me either during the presidency or after. he said, he would never have said, hey, you've got to reign in cheney. he's ruining your administration. and any way, i disagree with him, these were my policies. he knew that his father's style was such that he would never say these things directly to him. which is in and of itself fascinate. >> reporter: and other insights include blunt assessment of bill clinton as a draft dodger and lia...

>> no, i department break the law. they're all a bunch of liars. they're all lying. >> oh, no. my god, the evidence is overwhelming. >> he's never doubted manson's guilt. >> since trial, susan atkins admitted manson was behind it. there's no doubt about this guy's guilt. >> and no doubt about manson's eerie magnetism, about his power to manipulate, to fascinate, to terrify. >> i think it will take at least another generation for charles manson to die in terms of fascination to the public. >> and it's my world. >> he's too much a part of our lives right now. he's going to live on in our memorie...

>> they're all a bunch of liars. >> oh, no, no. my god, the evidence is overwhelming. >> the prosecutorer has never doubted manson's guilt. >> there's no doubt about this guy's guilt. >> and no doubt about manson's eerie magnetism, about his power to manipulate, to fascinate, to terrify. >> when he dies, i think the country will breathe a sigh of relief. >> i think it will take at least another generation for charles manson to die in terms of fascination to the public. >> and it's any world! >> he's too much of a part of our lives right now. he's going to live on in our memories for a while lo...

That message. >> you're all a bunch of lie yars. >> oh, no. my god. the evidence is overwhelming. >> the prosecutor has never doubted manson's guilt. >> since the april susan atkins has admitted manson was behind it. there's no doubt about his guilt. >> and no doubt about his power to manipulate, fascinate, and terrify. >> when he dies, i think the country will breathe a sigh of relief. >> i think it will take at least another generation for charles manson to die in terms of fascination to the public. he's too much a part of our lives right now. he's going to live on in our memories for a whil...

Before our interview to deliver that message. >> you are a bunch of liars. you are all liars. >> oh, no. my god. the evidence is overwhelming. >> he has never doubted manson's guilt. >> look, since the trial, susan atkins has admitted that atkins is behind it. -- manson is behind it. there's no doubt. >> and no doubt about manson's eerie magnetism about hi power to manipulate, to fascinate, to terrify. >> when he dies, i think the country will breathe a sigh of relief. >> i'm a human being. >> i think it will take at least another generation for charles manson to die in terms of fascination to...