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That's a -- >> he cleaned that up. >> but can you imagine if your boss had done that, or obama had done that. the sad part it is, it's getting normalized. when you break it down, it's unamerican. i hate that word unamerican, but it's unpatriotic. >> i want to point out a phrase the president used which i think was quite cunning, which was fair press, right? we don't have -- we have a free press in this country. there's no guarantee of fairness. it reminds me of a trade debate when people say we want free trade, but people said, no, we want fair trade. this idea of a fair press, something conse...

>> a total misunderstanding of what journalism is. the sbram arm of nbc has nothing to do with nbc news. this isn't a terribly difficult concept. but obviously he doesn't quite -- >> there's no sort of higher moreality for donald trump. everything is a trade and a transaction. >> i find what's so frustrating, to your point, this notion of a fair press. the president says it, but i'm sure we all see it and hear it in terms of viewers and readers. you know, i take that really seriously. i want to be fair. i really do. the point is, when i look at the media criticism that comes, it's not that peo...

Uses. the whole concept of fake flus is a specific term of art. it's news that's intended to deceive. it doesn't mean that the free press and the good press can still make mistakes. he's conflating this idea of -- >> to keep with your context, he wants a fawning press. he's going well beyond the pushback. every president doesn't like his media. your former boss complained about it. obama complained about it, despite many people on the right think he was treated wonderfully all the time. president trump is going a step further than that, he's trying to delegitimize the media. so he's inoculated...

Journalism. what he's saying is i would like a press that's pro trump. that goes all the way around. each side, people tend to want press that's favorable to them. >> we've all lived through that. this is a level of insanity from that point that we've never seen before. literally, unless it is fawning and adulation, it is false. >> he's saying it in poland, where the ruling party is also having its crackdown on a free press. this is part of a broader movement than just donald trump's brain. >> let me put you on the spot, frank. and so we had a media organization that made a mistake, and held p...

This. you ended up handling it differently and more carefully than possibly anyone else who would have received that. >> well, we had to get a lot of help with this. this was like an all hands on deck sort of thing. listen, people try to -- you know, in politics and in life, there are dirty tricks and pranks, and it's just sort of a -- it's a moment to really be on your toes. >> it was also a great detective story to listen to. >> thank you, my friend. >> thanks, rachel. >> thanks, lawrence. cheers. well, at least no one is saying donald trump became president today. >> we want to see fair p...