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90% of them lost their case in front of a judge. we put them on an airplane and sent them home. guess what happened? the numbers dropped signature contactually. then have you got the ninth circuit comes out and says you can only hold them 20 days. i told the court if you make that decision, we can't hold them long enough to see a judge. you will see a surge like you never saw before. i was told by the courts i was a fear monger. brian: and he wasn't. he was a forecaster. because that's exactly what happened. steve: kevin mcaleenan said yesterday if they are going to keep the families together....

Backlash. there tends to be a real fear people have, not about being allowed to transition over to something, to choose something that they want but being told they can't have the thing they currently have and they're going to be put on something new. and that's always a challenge for those who have to balance between people's risk aversion, but also if you want to create something better, you often have to change what you currently have. >> yeah, how do you see -- abdul, you and i had a whole why is this happening podcast conversation about single payer which you favor, but how do you see tha...

>> look, the best way to muddy a message is to start to give the message of your opponent. we saw during the debates with respect to the aca about how private health insurance corporations were driving a message about how you were going to lose your health care. it's sad to see democrats driving that same message because they want to fearmonger to win a primary. the fact of the matter is is that any solution that does not include in this country, we rely on a system of health insurance that raises the cost for all of us and excludes many of us, t not going to solve the problem. medicare for al...

When flores settlement came, you can't hold the families more than 20 days, i said to court back then, if you do this, if you don't allow us to detain them long enough to see judge, you will see a surge in family units, of course, i was caught a fear-monger, no evidence of this, look what's happened. because we can't detain long enough to see judge, they get released in united states, the ones that do show up lose case. congress needs to fix the look hole. heather: you mentioned seeing judge, backlog of 900,000 cases to even get to that point. >> there is, one other thing that we need to do u....

Mexico is doing more for the u.s. on illegal immigration than the democrats. the democrats are doing nothing. they want open borders. which means illegal immigration, drugs and crime. steve: meanwhile, you just mentioned tom homan a moment ago talking about the flores amendment. and we have a sound bite regarding just that watch this. >> when this surge first started happening 2014-2015, we were able to hold family units in a family detention centers about 40, 45 days until you see a judge. final out of 10 lost their case. filled airplanes up, sent them home and border numbers went down becaus...