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I it. scott mentioning it here, the concept of open borders. your take? >> it is an absolute lie. but what else should we expect from this president. he lied about immigration in 2016 and scott is right, it did work for him. but the fact of the matter is that there's no democrat that wants open borders. that is not something that the party or any candidate is running on. in fact, democrats are the ones who supported comprehensive immigration reform back in 2013 that would have strengthened the border with billions of dollars and thousands more border patrol agents. they want to do it in a way ...

Same ideals. and he is talking about hope versus fear then. lonn lonnie, you made a great point that as lovely as today's speech was, and everybody liked it, you all thought this is a great message. s it is not a message of hope that gets people to the polls. >> certainly not at a midterm election. what we expect is you have the bases of the two parties and the question comes down to which base is more motivated. that speech did not do a whole lot of work in motivating in my mind the democratic base. his speech yesterday motivated the democratic base and also trump's base, but at least that sp...

Something. i don't think trump articulates had stuff or thinks about it is in what are white suburban women going to do. he understands the gut level this fear works. >> for a group of republican base of his base, i think that the majority of americans are getting a little tired. they are getting drained and exhaust exhausted. >> he's still getting that same level, 40 to 45 back and forth. it mod due late buzz never changes. >> the most stable element in the universe. >> the thing doesn't move, does it? i haven't seen him going down in the 30s. he's up around 40. >> four months is eones in any...

Knew, that mexico was not going to pay for the wall. that was done during the campaign. now president trump has to tell the truth. >> the president's supporters will point out that crossings, across the southern border, have dropped dramatically, apprehensions have dropped dramatically since president trump took office. you and i have talked about this before. i think in the past you said fear works in stopping people from coming across. does the president deserve some credit for using the bully pulpit to reduce people crossing over? >> i would say two things. first of all, fear works, yes. i ...

Cases, they are being apprehended and deported out. it clearly creates fear, i understand that, in the community. but do you think it actually does prevent others from coming over? >> as a deterrent, yes, i think it's a deterrent, there's no question about it. fear works. but i think when we're talking about undocumented immigrants, we're talking about human beings, and we're talking about people who are here because of us. we have to take responsibility for that. they are here because they are working for us. millions of americans, you and me and those who are watching, benefit from that and ...