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Is he trying to get a better deal? there's been some anecdotal evidence he's prepared to be charged. and the pardon isn't on the table until you've been convicted of a crime, right? >> right. but i also -- i don't think again like the legal fee issue, i don't think a pardon here is going to save michael cohen because there is state exposure, civil exposure, we saw the attorney general filing civil suit against donald trump and that's moving quickly. so i don't view this as a call for help to the president. i think probably michael cohen is a man who really wants to talk. he likes to be in the ...

He apparently was going in to make a plea deal, lied in the plea deal, then gets hit with other charges, then pleads guilty the next day. nothing about gates' behavior over the last month and a half has been usual in the way these cases proceed. >> pete williams, more information on this? >> well, andrea, precisely on the question you just asked, we have always been wondering why some of the gates lawyers wanted to withdraw and you have seen a lot of speculation elsewhere that perhaps it's because they disagreed about the plea. we think it can't possibly have been that, because the lawyers' jo...

That they can move on to other issues but agrees, the fumbling way in which he and his campaign handled it was a real problem in south carolina. >> eric: does he think he can go beyond that with the general election, the bain capital issue and tax issue and the speaker fee issue. can he get beyond that, do you think? >> he certainly thinks he can. we'll see whether the republican voters think that he can, obviously, he suffered a real loss, and, the swing is amazing, on monday, last monday, before the fox news debate, in the real clear politics average of polls, romney was leading gingrich by ...